While a diner pie needn’t be amazing to do its job well, a homemade pie kinda does. After all, you don’t want to labor over a from-scratch turkey pot pie or banana cream only to slice into it and discover a soggy bottom layer. Or pull an old-fashioned apple pie out of the oven and discover that the top crust failed to reach the golden-brown goodness you imagined at the outset.

To ensure you whip up perfect pies every time, our friends at ChefSteps are sharing some of their top secrets to perfectly baked pie crust, from top to bottom. Follow their lead, and you’ll be creating killer crusty comfort food for the ages in no time. Check out the short video below to learn why you’ll need a dark baking pan and how to master the three-stage bake.

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